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But, others loved it, and lots didn't even know that they could change their settings, so I guess Twitter has to try and appease them somehow (although I do disagree with myself on that front sometimes - it's a FREE service for goodness' sake!).
I wrote my thoughts on it here: http://businessontwitter.co.uk/twitter/2009/05/...
Looking forward to reading your thoughts Nikki and thanks for the workaround.
Skipping the much talked "it's a good way to find new interesting people", the thing that never made me interesting in changing the "see all" setting was that I often find very useful information in @replies. Sometimes someone answering another person's question might have information that is interesting to me.
I don't see why take away a CHOICE. The other way everyone could see what they want, now people that liked @replies can't see them all, and people that didn't want to see @replies at all are stuck with some @replies.
I feel like I'm missing so much, and it's been very annoying to have to check a lot of the key users' profiles that I like to follow the most to see what I'm missing.
The alternative solution that they want to do is not satisfactory either, but maybe the other one (per-users settings) will make it better. I guess I'll have to wait, which in the internet era, it's pretty damn annoying.
At least you'll partially get to see them now, unless someone is replying to a specific tweet.
The interesting part is that they are saying that the "all replies" feature does not scale, yet at the same time that they are saying that less than 2 percent of the users had that option enabled. What does that tell you about the future and stability of Twitter as a whole.
Years ago I heard people (that know more about such things than me), talk about the initial Ruby or Rails infrastructure of Twitter and how it did not scale and how it was going to come crashing down at some point, I think we must be rapidly approaching that point. Twitter is now amputating key features to delay the crash. That is my take.
Maybe this is for the best, maybe we all better start weaning ourselves off of Twitter now, before it goes down hard and we all have to go cold turkey w/no twitter.
Now it's a more closed system. For that, I have Facebook. The beauty of Twitter was it's openness. I hope they restore the ability to "evesdrop" on others' conversations.......
Your paragraph "both sides of the coin" makes exactly the case for having an option ("some want it, some don't"), and hence exactly the case against what Twitter has just done: remove the option.
Twitter is handling this very badly. Very, very badly. I get the feeling that Twitter was not aware of the actual value of the feature (hence the zero-notice removal in the first place); OK, that can happen. But I haven't seen any explanation at all of why the change was made in the first place ("Whoa! Feedback" says "technical reasons," but that's not an explanation). As a result, I can't suggest other ways for Twitter to do this, because I don't know what "this" is!
The technical reasons are the other side of the coin (Twitter's side). You don't believe it?
It's Twitter-ages later, now, and there is some info available. I'm still dubious at the sound of the technical semi-explanations they're giving, but I'm not going to call for a detailed code review, 140 characters at a time! ;-) Far more importantly, the Twitter team have responded very well, now, putting in place a half-way repair that they claim strikes a balance between scalability and community growth, and promising as well some serious thought, design, plan, and implementation to achieve both well. At this point, I'm not throwing brickbats any longer, I'm giving major props!
@MrTweet is the BEST, you should all follow him!
The viewing reply's to others was the whole beauty of Twitter: people can always use a DM if they want privacy; the networking aspect of it is GONE without open @'s.
also, it's pretty much the perfect way of finding out about new people. if I see my friends sending messages to @personX, I am inclined - of course depending on the kind of messages being sent - to check out this personX.
It's not interesting reading celeb-replies to a million fans - but most of my regular friends have friends that I might be interested in following. Now, how will I find out?
And another reason: I'm just bloody curious.
It is only tweets that START with the @reply to someone they don't follow that will be affected. For example if I follow @User but not @MrTweets I will NOT recieve this tweet:
User: @MrTweet is the BEST, you should all follow him!
(That's a dumb way to phrase it anyway, tho, since the vast majority of twitter has always had this optional feature turned OFF to begin with... which is why twitter then turned it off permanently since most didn;t use it and many who did didn't understand it)
However I WILL receive this tweet:
User: I love @MrTweet you should all follow him!
See that? Not so complicated. As long as you start the tweet with something OTHER than the @username every one of your followers will see the tweet.
@fitprosarah Did you finally buy the house?
Obviously, this is not a dumb phrazing. So, now you have to be actively aware & actively trying to get around the system:
! @fitprosarah Did you . . .
That is irritating, takes up unnecessary characters & requires that you know about the new un-feature. When all they have to do is bring it back.
Twitter should at least give us the choice to be in or out, I thought the idea was to bring people together this just makes them go elsewhere.
Several of my Twitter friends have already intimated they will return to FaceBook rather than stay and be dictted too like this.
Not a good marketing strategy Twitter!
They're not changing it so much as they're taking an option away, and that's the uncool part. :P
I enjoyed the pure, clean status only updates - it's the thing I liked most about twitter.
If the default setting was to have it turned off, that takes care of newcomers, so why remove the _option_ that you previously had to _manually_ turn on?
http://bit.ly/confusion
Basically, I think this became a problem because the settings-page just offered a drop-down-menu with no further explanation.
@idaAa
Very nice article on explaining the confusion surrounding Twitter replies. I'll add it to the post soon :)
I personally switched back and forth from one option to the other frequently depending on whether I wanted to expand my awareness of people the people I was following knew or whether I wanted to stick mainly to what my friends were up to. It is my opinion that my experience of Twitter as a networking tool is lessened due to this unnecessary change.
This is about receiving twitter messages that consist of people you don't follow. Some people found it confusing to only hear one part of the conversation. Check the comments; it has its pros and cons.
It was an incredibly poor decision by Twitter to unilaterally remove it without pre-notification of the Twitter users who use it.
It will greatly change my ability to add new people to those I follow because I will not meet a vast majority of those in the way I have been up to now.
There is no reason to remove it. None. It was optional, it was not the default, and it wasn't particularly easy to find or change if you weren't looking for it.
Michelle
@couleeregion
I see no reason for this "Small Settings Update". Twitter lives by it's users, should carry out a poll BEFORE making such drastic changes. This way I feel patronized.
I use tweetdeck to separate out the different types of tweet information into separate columns to help with the information overload problem.
I would definitely like the feature back.
Have a great day,
Brad.
There was an opt-out option, that should have been sufficient.
If Twitter users DON'T want to see every @reply addressed to them, THEY as a user, should be given the OPTION within "settings" to set a filter to "ONLY SEE @REPLIES FROM THOSE YOU FOLLOW" or something.
I was having a conversation with someone the other day an realized that he would be the only one to see my clever comments and I wouldn't be drawing in more commentary like I'd hoped I would.
If I wanted a private conversation, I'd use Direct Messaging.
Yes, it has changed my Twitter experience. Now Twitter seems less fun, less interesting and well... Much more quiet. Now it feels more like I'm talking to myself. Also it seems like all the people I follow are talking to themselves, like they didn't have any conversations. I don't like it at all. Actually, I hate it.
It's a loss for me, although I can't say yet whether I'll adapt or move on to some other amusement. The way they handled it makes me think moving on would be smarter ...
The biggest concern new users have, is that of NOT being seen, this will just exacerbate that situation! It's an incredibly dumb decision from the Powers that Tweet, but should put them in-line for a Darwin award!
Twitter=FAIL
What they are calling a feature used to be the default behavior. I never changed mine so I was always getting all replies. Watching the one sided conversations and checking out the other person is how I found the majority of the people I follow (including Corvida). Now people who are very conversational, I can't see at all. It doesn't matter who they are talking to, I want to see it. Recently the "majority" of people don't use this feature - the only reason for which is that the new default was to set it off.
I read somewhere that the average new Twitter user abandons the account after 30 days. I'm wondering if it's because they don't get to see all the conversations that are going on and get bored. A former classmate of mine joined Twitter a few months ago, I suggested she follow some of the people that I talk to. I had no clue that she couldn't even see the conversations.
I'm not for it only because they took it away. I actually used this functionality. Removing it takes away a good deal of the value of Twitter.
I think the proper resolution would be to give users the option to choose their preference. As some have said, you can't give a feature that is widely used and take it away without option or notice.
A blanket recommendation for Twitter changes in the future would be to send a mass Tweet or DM to every Twitter user notifying of upcoming change. Similar to the recent maintenance messages. This might help avoid ridiculous amounts of blasting Tweets filling up our boxes.
Good luck
The reason this feature was taken off was apparently a technical issue, so instead of complaining bitterly, I'd suggest that people come up with a way to have their beloved "all @ replies" option back that doesn't have technical issues. That way everyone can be happy.
I saw any @ reply that had my name listed. And I can say that I've followed several more people who were in on the conversation, that I never knew was on Twitter.
As a previous commenter stated, if someone wanted to clean up their stream, they could have simply chosen the OPTION to receive only those @replies that he follows.
P.S. I do understand the reason of filtering too many tweets, but there are lots of tools to help you do that at least at decent levels.
BIG mistake to take it off - may as well go back to Facebook !!!!!!!
Bring it back please Twitter XX
Hey @ecoelf - great link!
Will go into your stream as normal and not be treated as an @ message in the usual sense.
If you’ve just found out about the feature, would you like it back? Yes- It seems interesting to try out.
What are you thoughts on the way Twitter is handling the situation? Sounds like they're working on a solution, which is great.
Twitter needs to bring it back -- it was implemented perfectly as an opt-in, opt-out feature, except I would make seeing all @ replies the default.
I don't think though that hiding peoples address sites is good though...the one think good about Twitter is the ability to float around and be introduced to interesting people and interesting links. FaceBook and MySpace are more controlled for friends primarily, but Twitter helps me find people of interest that are not necessarily in my circle of friends, and that is what makes Twitter unique. Please don't lose that edge...Thank you, love Twitter